Mujahideen Ryder asks “Is MSA National Dead?”

Is MSA National Dead? asks Mujahideen Ryder, based on their low election turnout.

Here’s my comment:

Assalamu alaikum

If MSA National is dead, its unsurprising. As a national organization, they focused more on charismatic leadership then effective organization. They implemented a paradox: becoming a national organization through grass roots movements. We had this discussion a few years ago on the forum where I argued that MSA national needed more centralization, not decentralization since the very purpose of a national organization simply cannot incorporate grass roots movement. This is why the anti-war movement failed and this is why even once-strong organizations such as CAIR are faltering. A nationalized leadership requires centralization, not decentralization.

Also, I think the problem is their election methodology. They choose only people that have interacted with MSA national, as opposed to focusing on the leaders themselves. By focusing only on those people who have helped out with MSA national, they narrow their pool. Most interaction with MSA National occurs at the zonal level, but those positions themselves are restricted to an elite group of people, thus reaffirming the paradox of trying to be a national organization while also trying to be grass roots.

Another major problem is that MSA national lacks a unified vision for the American Muslim community, such as ISNA. They don’t want to delve into the realm of Islamic knowledge since that requires touching upon certain issues (Salafi v. Traditionalist, etc). However, dispersing knowledge is a key element of spiritual revival.

Basically, MSA National needs a major overhall.

With that said, I don’t think MSA National is dead and I don’t think its fair to judge an entire organization’s work by how active its elections are. The elections are only a once a year occurrence and MSA National participates in many events. So lets give our brothers and sisters the benefit of the doubt, inshaAllah.

masalama

Update: (6/20/07)

The problem is not the leadership and its not the MSAs, the problem is that a National organization requires a bureacracy. The problem with MSA National is that its modelled off of a typical MSA and not a national organization. The MSA model simply CANNOT function for a national organization. A national organization requires a bureacracy and paid positions. It cannot be done on a volunteer year by year position.

Thus, I’m going to have to disagree with the analogy by Amir that MSA NAT is an old man, its more like a child trying to do a fully grown man’s job. MSA National must restructure itself to become a leader for the American Muslim community.

My suggestions:

- Open elections only to those who have experience in leadership at ANY Islamic institution AND have had formal or informal study of Islam with a reliable scholar.

- Transform the organization from a volunteer basis to a paid position.

- Work on creating a national office with a bureacracy

- Move away from the Ikhwani model and move closer to a more dynamic Traditionalist model with a focus on Aqeedah, Fiqh and Tasawwuf and promoting the education of the Muslim masses.

Money: MSA National needs an independent source of financing. It can’t rely upon donations like an MSA does. Perhaps it should contact various Muslim businesses and get them to set up Awqaaf.

Management: Lastly, I think MSA National needs to tap into a different demographic for its leadership. In order to be elected, you have to have already interacted with MSA national at some level (either the executive board or as a zonal representative). I think the problem with this model is that only a very small group of people qualify for this. The average zonal representative is usually an active member of the MSA. Its unrealistic to expect college students to devote their time to their studies, their local MSA and to MSA national simultaneously. By the time they qualify for a position that is open to election, they’re probably going to be focused on graduation. The problem with this model of election is that its feigns democracy. In reality it is neither democratic nor Islamic. A true democratic model would enable all MSAs and their members to vote, instead of just their executive councils. If MSA National wants to be “grass roots” then they have to go to the people, and not through their organizations. If MSA National wants to be Islamic, then perhaps they should model their organization off of the Sunnah of the Prophet (sallahu alayhi wa sallam) and simply have a small group of leaders (such as establishing a board of trustees comprised of various ‘Ulema and community leaders. Maybe people like Shaykh Hamza Yusuf or Imam Zaid Shakir or Mufti Abdurrehman Ibn Yusuf or Shaykh Yasser Qadhi or Shaykh Muhammad al Shareef) would take the advice of the various MSAs as recommendations and select a leader through Mashwarah. However, instead of following a true grass roots movement or a truly Islamic model of appointment-with-mashwarah, MSA National has a system that is neither and, more importantly, not functional. My suggestion on this issue is that MSA Nat either goes completely grass-roots and adopts its democratic model or it goes completely Islamic and follows the Sunnah of the Prophet (sallahu alayhi wa sallam).

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  1. Mujahideen Ryder says:

    Basically, MSA National needs a major overhall.

    I agree with you 100%.

    June 18, 2007 @ 5:52 pm

  2. everymuslim says:

    Also, I would say that the Continental and Zonal conferences are moreso the same old Islamic conferences instead of actually organizational meetings.

    However, I would disagree with the whole centralized thing. They already have a strong central govt amongst their own people. What MSA National needs is a central govt that is flexible and open and inclusive, not just the same system with the same people only with more scope and power.

    Major overhall indeed.

    June 18, 2007 @ 8:10 pm

  3. jinnzaman says:

    I agree, the problem with ISNA and MSA National is that they lack a visionary purpose. They seem to have a very vague conception of what their organizational purpose is and these ambiguities is what’s causing the absence of activism.

    I still disagree that MSA National is centralized. By centralized I mean the formation of a national bureacracy with proper training so that everyone is operating on the same page. MSA National has operated on a volunteer basis with people operating in entirely different conceptual frameworks. MSA National doesn’t have a truly centralized system, its focus seems to be solely to help set up, network, and sustain MSAs. While this is a noble goal, it seems to have accomplished this purpose, with the assistance of a globalized network of communications. What MSA national needs, what it really needs, is a visionary purpose to guide the American Muslim college scene and it can’t do that without reorienting its goals and that requires a discussion about the purpose of the American Muslim community. The schizophrenia between integration and assimiliation seems to have frozen its capacity to act in a meaningful manner to MSAs, much in the same way that CAIR National has lost its relevance as a national movement.

    June 18, 2007 @ 9:57 pm

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    June 19, 2007 @ 9:28 am

  5. Mujahideen Ryder says:

    Independent Study on MSA National:

    http://www.mujahideenryder.net/independent-study-on-msa-national/

    June 20, 2007 @ 11:26 am

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  8. zainab khan says:

    salaam alaykum,

    i wanted to know if you can please send me your email address as i was hoping to get in touch with you. i already have mujahideen ryder’s and maniac muslim’s contact info - u can write me at: vpcanada@msanational.org

    thank you
    wasalam

    June 21, 2007 @ 8:50 pm

  9. Zainab Khan says:

    Salaam alaykum,
    Can you please send me your email address? I was hoping to get in touch with you. Thanks

    June 21, 2007 @ 9:04 pm

  10. the wahhabi misanthrope says:

    :)

    Every time Jinnzaman opens his mouth, another acre of the Amazon rainforest is chopped down.

    June 27, 2007 @ 7:43 am

  11. jinnzaman says:

    hahahahha. but its online!!! shouldn’t that be saving trees??!

    :P

    June 27, 2007 @ 4:21 pm

  12. Nuqtah says:

    assalamu alaikum,

    I definitely agree with Jinzz’s assertion that MSANat. isn’t dead, it just needs some reshuffling. Although, Im personally not too involved with MSA due to various reasons, including the fact that MSA doesnt seem to focus on Islam itself, in my personal experience I’ve observed some trends:

    a) There’s definitely the elitism aspect involved.

    b) And in my experience, this elite consists of popular guys and bimbos running the MSAs. Who win the vote by the virtue of them being x-popular (as was the case of my MSA’s ex-secretary, who happened to be wearing such clothes on election night, that part of her awrah was visible).

    c) National level only reflects what MSAs are at college level.

    So, yes MSA needs a change.

    June 28, 2007 @ 8:11 am

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